Out on this beautiful day caching outside the city and I`m really getting disappointed when I actually find the cache and all thats in it is broken toys, moldy pencils and wet logs. If you place a cache in the woods, are you suppose to do maintenance on them as well, or do you just place a cache and forget about it and rely on the cachers to do it for you…..just a question.
This is an ongoing topic and debate among geocachers.
You are SUPPOSED to do maintenance but the reality is, many cachers haven’t or don’t. Caches get hidden and are then forgotten. A lot of the old caches out there have not been maintained in ages which is why they are in rough shape.
Im glad you understand what im talking about. I could be out there placing 100 caches just to say I have placed 100, but if I dont look after them, then, they are garbage in the woods. So if I placed a coffee cup in the woods and called it a cache….would it be a cache or garbage in the woods…..
Did you find a cache that people have complained about and the owner has done nothing?
Did you find a cache that has not been found for a while and the owner was not aware that the cache needed maintenance?
Do you expect cache owners to make regular trips to their caches to ensure that all is OK?
What maintenance would be required on the cache you found? Was it simply removing the ruined swag and placing a new log or was it beyond repair and required a visit from the owner?
I realize that the cache owner is responsible for maintaining their caches. But I find it a little frustrating when we get a log telling us that the log was full or wet and that we should go and do maintenance. Do therse people not realize that the cache hiders have spent time and expense placing a cache to entertain them. It would be a simple courtesy to place a new log.
We do not replace caches belonging to others but we do carry log sheets and a few items to do minor work on caches and we have a bag to carry ruined swag that we find
If I place a cache somewheres then I am responsible to maintain that cache, so what I mean by that is, keep out the garbage and the mold and keep the cache stocked, the same way it was placed, clean dry and stocked. As for log sheets I have every size with me already in baggies and ready to go, I dont have a problem with log sheets. I have a problem with owners just placing caches and never going back to check them ,clean them and keeping the garbage out. There should NEVER be a problem with restocking the cache if people were playing the GAME right…..take an item and leave an item…..the cache would always be full.
So what exactly is swag….a broken toy or perhaps a doll head. No it is suppose to be something that someone would WANT to take and not want to take to the garbage. After a long day of caching and taking out the trash from the caches I had a half full shopping bag of garbage.( moldy pencils,old wet logs and lots of broken toys.)
If you dont want to maintain YOUR caches adopt them out, archive them or better yet dont put new ones out. I guess thats why there are so many micros in the woods.Happy Caching
It is unfortunate that the caches were in the condition that you indicated and it is great that you made the effort to remove the stuff from the cache.
However I will rephrase my questions that I asked.
What do you consider not meeting my responsibility for cache maintenance?
I think we all would agree that ignoring a Needs Maintenance log that identified a serious problem would be considered not meeting my responsibility.
Do you think I should be required to go visit my caches every so often to see if they are OK, or should I wait until a log identifies a problem that needs fixing? The example I always give is our SM series of caches that brings you on an adventure through the woods from Shediac to Malakoff. It would take nearly 2 hours for me to get to some of those caches. Unless I get info about a problem that the cacher could not fix, I will not be going out there to check on them.
Every year we get a group together to check the 54 total caches on Shediac Island and Cocagne Island. Ma and I recently verified our Cocagne series of caches, fixing some and replacing others. I have plans for doing maintenance on problems identified on some of our many cache series but there is no way I will be going out to check on caches that have had no identified problems.
We are avid cachers and we appreciate the great series of caches put out by the local cachers to entertain us. Why would I point fingers at the people who brought us on wonderful adventures on local trails, and at two wind parks in this province. We have discovered incredible places thanks to our caching friends.
We have been looking at a couple of areas to put out large new series of caches to attract visitors to the MEGA and our annual Ice Walk. Maybe we should reconsider
Good points PA. Very rarely do I go out and check on one of my caches, unless there is a maintenance issue. My exception was the check on my caches in Pennfield before leaving for the Wild Wild West. π
As for finger pointing, sometimes it is a necessary evil. For example, my issue concerning abandoned caches in Bathurst was to bring focus to an issue for other cachers visiting the area, to be aware that caches from a certain individual would not be maintained, and simply archived where they lay, without removal.
As for how people treat maintenance of their caches. Technically, yes, it is my cache, my responsibility. But we have all asked for an assist now and again. Or, an assist is given without even asking for it. But do I expect my wet/full logs to be replaced by a cacher? No. But it is certainly nice to see it done, and I look at it as “paying if forward” when I can do that for someone else. But I won’t spend my day hauling other’s moldy logs, pencils, or broken toys; that just drags the fun out of it, almost as much as finding it there in the first place.
thank you for completely understanding my point. I dont have a problem replacing logs!!! I have a problem with broken toys full of mold and moldy pencils etc. Do I leave it and send a needs maintenance or do I take it out and like you said drag the fun out of the day.After a nice hike in the woods and finally finding the container the last thing I want to touch or smell and see is a cache NOT looked after full of mold. Again the cache owners responsibility to look after it other wise its garbage in the woods!!!
Again…..caches placed and never looked at again by the owner is considered garbage in the woods. If I sent needs maintenance every time I came across a moldy abandoned cache I would be at the computer all day.
If I am a cacher that lives nearby your caches and you needed someone to check on them and you asked me to, I would have no problem with that but please dont EXPECT others to look after your caches without asking. I think that if you get a group together to check on your caches once a year, thats great I applaud you for looking after your caches.
And after the regular cachers have had there fill of your caches and they havent been hit for 6 mths or more then you should be going out to check on them and clean out the mold and broken toys left behind.
So if you want them to see a nice view why not just post the coordinints and forget about leaving the garbage in the woods….they still get to use there GPS and get the hike and still enjoy the view.
Wel, I am a not sure I do completely understand where you are coming from. Thing is, if the cache is old or broken, then you SHOULD send a needs maintenance note, as that is why the feature is there. Otherwise, how am I supposed to know, as a cache owner, that there is an issue? Am I required to go out and check on my caches regularly, say every 2 weeks (or more if they are visited often)? That would occupy all of my spare time leaving me no time at all to cache.
As for the issue of stocking a cache, I stock it once when I place it, unless it is a special cache of some importance to me. I am not about to go out there and spend $5-$10 to restock all of my caches every few months because people don’t trade according to the guidelines.
The reality is that 99% of the caches found that are broken, moldy, and wet, and have been so for some time, are abandoned in the woods by cachers who are a) no longer in the province/region, and can’t get to them quickly (within a 2-3 week period) or b) no longer in the game for various reasons, so they no longer care.
I have met a number of cachers who have adopted out caches, or archived and removed, because they have recognized that they have too many caches out there and it would mean they couldn’t maintain them in a timely manner. Kudoos to them.
We have to remember that this is a hobby. It doesn’t rank at the same level of importance as a career, family, or other aspects of our lives. So, things fall by the wayside.
Bottom line, you are preaching to the choir by voicing this here. All of us on this site are dedicated to the sport, and do our level-best to promote it, love it, enjoy it.
It is a hobby. And I am glad that if someone has too many caches and cant maintain them that they do archive them or adopt them out.
NOT preaching, just stating a fact that there are alot of wet moldy caches being found and if I need to send a NM everytime I find one I will start doing so.
I wasnt trying to stir anything up….this is what a discussion forum is for….a discussion.
Archiving is not the answer! Our Province is littered by thousands of archived caches. If the cache owner is unwilling to do maintenance they are likely not going to remove their litter… Implement the green smiley!
Teta, that isn’t a bad idea. Part of our maintenance responsibility when we decide to place a cache is to remove it, but what about those people who abandon the sport and just don’t care? Why not have a simple function, a question when you archive, “has the cache been physically removed from the location?”. If yes, no tag; if no, then it is “tagged” so that someone has the opportunity to out and remove that cache. The key is to place no blame or accusation on a cacher and ask no other question; sometimes leaving the sport is due to a personal reason the person wishes to keep to themselves. It could even heighten the thrill by people going out to grab that coveted LTF (Last to Find).
When I go on a days caching I try to quickly look at the last few logs for each cache I am getting. If I see any that look like they have a real problem I look at the cache owners history. If they have not logged in for a while or they are known not to do maintenance I make note of the cache.
When I find it and it does look like crap or garbage, I remove it. I will not leave geotrash to be archived and left behind. I have done this many times and as yet have not had a cache owner contact me to complain. I guess I was doing them all a favor. I shouldn’t have to collect other peoples garbage but I know they are not going to do it themselves.
This is the way I play the game and I have no problems with it.
And after the regular cachers have had there fill of your caches and they havent been hit for 6 mths or more then you should be going out to check on them and clean out the mold and broken toys left behind.
I do not agree.
I do not expect others to do maintenance on my caches. Tell me that there is a problem and I will get out there but there is no way I am going out to check on our 427 active caches every 6 months.
so if I sent a needs maintenance because of a moldy, wet cache then you would go check it….
my thought of a needs maintenance is if its missing the top or an animal chewed it apart, etc.
This is always a touchy subject. I agree with most of what’s been said here but here’s my own take on it.
I do not restock swag. I never have and never will. The reality is, I do a swag run once every couple of years and spend maybe $50-$75 at the Dollar store buying swag. That lasts me for a LONG time. I do not go back to caches I own and check to see if they need stocked. That would get VERY expensive over time and the reality is, SWAG is far less a part of the game that it was at one time. I stock them well when I hide but that is it. If the stuff gets old, then it gets old but for many of the caches I hide that have SWAG, I use real good, sealable containers. I only stock caches with SWAG because I have a kids who love finding that stuff so I know there are others that are the same. If I didn’t have kids, I probably wouldn’t stock caches with SWAG.
I also do not go out and do maintenance runs. If someone reported that a cache is missing, and it’s been DNF’d a bunch of times, and I know based on where it is that it should be easy to spot, I archive the cache. If someone reports it’s damaged or in serious disrepair, I will try and go out to look at it and usually if it really is damaged, I remove and archive it. If a micro goes missing, I archive it. I’m not doing long maintenance runs on micros or check ups on micros as those containers frequently go missing, especially in the city, or sometimes in the woods when an animal might bite or try to eat it.
If I get a NM log about the log being wet or needing replaced, I log an OM log with a “.” and remove the NM attribute. Wet logs do not need a NM log. The next time I am in that area, I replace the log, or I might even ask someone who is near it to replace it for me. If I am doing a cache run, I always have extra logs with me, and sometimes even spare containers. Me, Rev, and Nemo once replaced a Jim52 cache because his container was a total mess. If I can help maintain a cool cache, I will.
I do not think other cacher’s should be responsible for maintaining my caches, but I do think that we all should do our best to try and help cachers we know maintain their caches. If I did one of EBE’s caches and I knew it was in bad shape, I will pull the container and email him because I know him and I know he would want me to pull the container. But if I saw a cache that was in BAD shape and I didn’t know the owner, I might leave it there and log a NM because it’s in bad shape. I don’t want to leave the trash, but when you start pulling containers out that belong to people you don’t know, in MANY cases it starts huge arguments are fights and it really isn’t worth it.
For me it is about whatever I am comfortable with. If I see a Funk or #1scout cache that’s in really bad shape, I’d remove it in a heartbeat. But there are some cachers who are VERY particular about who does what to their containers. You have to be mindful of that.
Well said Zor. I mostly agree with what you said and do it the way you do.
When I get a DNF or a log indicating a possible problem, I keep those messages and I may plan a maintenance run if necessary. If a micro in the woods is missing, I may go and replace it if it is part of one of the many series that we have. I know many love series as much as we do so we try and keep them complete.
I agree with what your saying, but if its a wet log I will replace it cause there is no need for the owner to get a message about a log needing to be replaced. And I would never replace the whole container UNLESS the owner was contacted and asked me to do so on my visit. I too have kids, 2-4 and they love caching but I only take them to kids caches so they dont get to disappointed when nothing is there or we just leave a few things for the next kids if the cache is empty.
We have to remember that this is a hobby. It doesnβt rank at the same level of importance as a career, family, or other aspects of our lives. So, things fall by the wayside.
Bottom line, you are preaching to the choir by voicing this here. All of us on this site are dedicated to the sport, and do our level-best to promote it, love it, enjoy it.
“This location is pretty far away. Geocaches require routine maintenance, which is why we recommend placing within an easy drive from your home coordinates.”
Just checked on the geocaching site. All the 7 geoaocaches are there and ready to be found. The weather looks good for tomorrow. Bringing my lunch and something to drink.
Found out about this site from “stcar” during a geocaching presentation today in Moncton. Thanks for the info.
Out on this beautiful day caching outside the city and I`m really getting disappointed when I actually find the cache and all thats in it is broken toys, moldy pencils and wet logs. If you place a cache in the woods, are you suppose to do maintenance on them as well, or do you just place a cache and forget about it and rely on the cachers to do it for you…..just a question.
This is an ongoing topic and debate among geocachers.
You are SUPPOSED to do maintenance but the reality is, many cachers haven’t or don’t. Caches get hidden and are then forgotten. A lot of the old caches out there have not been maintained in ages which is why they are in rough shape.
Im glad you understand what im talking about. I could be out there placing 100 caches just to say I have placed 100, but if I dont look after them, then, they are garbage in the woods. So if I placed a coffee cup in the woods and called it a cache….would it be a cache or garbage in the woods…..
Not sure what you mean?
Did you find a cache that people have complained about and the owner has done nothing?
Did you find a cache that has not been found for a while and the owner was not aware that the cache needed maintenance?
Do you expect cache owners to make regular trips to their caches to ensure that all is OK?
What maintenance would be required on the cache you found? Was it simply removing the ruined swag and placing a new log or was it beyond repair and required a visit from the owner?
I realize that the cache owner is responsible for maintaining their caches. But I find it a little frustrating when we get a log telling us that the log was full or wet and that we should go and do maintenance. Do therse people not realize that the cache hiders have spent time and expense placing a cache to entertain them. It would be a simple courtesy to place a new log.
We do not replace caches belonging to others but we do carry log sheets and a few items to do minor work on caches and we have a bag to carry ruined swag that we find
PAul
If you place a cache then you maintain that cache….but no you should not have to run out just to replace a log.
If I place a cache somewheres then I am responsible to maintain that cache, so what I mean by that is, keep out the garbage and the mold and keep the cache stocked, the same way it was placed, clean dry and stocked. As for log sheets I have every size with me already in baggies and ready to go, I dont have a problem with log sheets. I have a problem with owners just placing caches and never going back to check them ,clean them and keeping the garbage out. There should NEVER be a problem with restocking the cache if people were playing the GAME right…..take an item and leave an item…..the cache would always be full.
So what exactly is swag….a broken toy or perhaps a doll head. No it is suppose to be something that someone would WANT to take and not want to take to the garbage. After a long day of caching and taking out the trash from the caches I had a half full shopping bag of garbage.( moldy pencils,old wet logs and lots of broken toys.)
If you dont want to maintain YOUR caches adopt them out, archive them or better yet dont put new ones out. I guess thats why there are so many micros in the woods.Happy Caching
It is unfortunate that the caches were in the condition that you indicated and it is great that you made the effort to remove the stuff from the cache.
However I will rephrase my questions that I asked.
What do you consider not meeting my responsibility for cache maintenance?
I think we all would agree that ignoring a Needs Maintenance log that identified a serious problem would be considered not meeting my responsibility.
Do you think I should be required to go visit my caches every so often to see if they are OK, or should I wait until a log identifies a problem that needs fixing? The example I always give is our SM series of caches that brings you on an adventure through the woods from Shediac to Malakoff. It would take nearly 2 hours for me to get to some of those caches. Unless I get info about a problem that the cacher could not fix, I will not be going out there to check on them.
Every year we get a group together to check the 54 total caches on Shediac Island and Cocagne Island. Ma and I recently verified our Cocagne series of caches, fixing some and replacing others. I have plans for doing maintenance on problems identified on some of our many cache series but there is no way I will be going out to check on caches that have had no identified problems.
We are avid cachers and we appreciate the great series of caches put out by the local cachers to entertain us. Why would I point fingers at the people who brought us on wonderful adventures on local trails, and at two wind parks in this province. We have discovered incredible places thanks to our caching friends.
We have been looking at a couple of areas to put out large new series of caches to attract visitors to the MEGA and our annual Ice Walk. Maybe we should reconsider
PAul
Good points PA. Very rarely do I go out and check on one of my caches, unless there is a maintenance issue. My exception was the check on my caches in Pennfield before leaving for the Wild Wild West. π
As for finger pointing, sometimes it is a necessary evil. For example, my issue concerning abandoned caches in Bathurst was to bring focus to an issue for other cachers visiting the area, to be aware that caches from a certain individual would not be maintained, and simply archived where they lay, without removal.
As for how people treat maintenance of their caches. Technically, yes, it is my cache, my responsibility. But we have all asked for an assist now and again. Or, an assist is given without even asking for it. But do I expect my wet/full logs to be replaced by a cacher? No. But it is certainly nice to see it done, and I look at it as “paying if forward” when I can do that for someone else. But I won’t spend my day hauling other’s moldy logs, pencils, or broken toys; that just drags the fun out of it, almost as much as finding it there in the first place.
thank you for completely understanding my point. I dont have a problem replacing logs!!! I have a problem with broken toys full of mold and moldy pencils etc. Do I leave it and send a needs maintenance or do I take it out and like you said drag the fun out of the day.After a nice hike in the woods and finally finding the container the last thing I want to touch or smell and see is a cache NOT looked after full of mold. Again the cache owners responsibility to look after it other wise its garbage in the woods!!!
Again…..caches placed and never looked at again by the owner is considered garbage in the woods. If I sent needs maintenance every time I came across a moldy abandoned cache I would be at the computer all day.
If I am a cacher that lives nearby your caches and you needed someone to check on them and you asked me to, I would have no problem with that but please dont EXPECT others to look after your caches without asking. I think that if you get a group together to check on your caches once a year, thats great I applaud you for looking after your caches.
And after the regular cachers have had there fill of your caches and they havent been hit for 6 mths or more then you should be going out to check on them and clean out the mold and broken toys left behind.
So if you want them to see a nice view why not just post the coordinints and forget about leaving the garbage in the woods….they still get to use there GPS and get the hike and still enjoy the view.
Wel, I am a not sure I do completely understand where you are coming from. Thing is, if the cache is old or broken, then you SHOULD send a needs maintenance note, as that is why the feature is there. Otherwise, how am I supposed to know, as a cache owner, that there is an issue? Am I required to go out and check on my caches regularly, say every 2 weeks (or more if they are visited often)? That would occupy all of my spare time leaving me no time at all to cache.
As for the issue of stocking a cache, I stock it once when I place it, unless it is a special cache of some importance to me. I am not about to go out there and spend $5-$10 to restock all of my caches every few months because people don’t trade according to the guidelines.
The reality is that 99% of the caches found that are broken, moldy, and wet, and have been so for some time, are abandoned in the woods by cachers who are a) no longer in the province/region, and can’t get to them quickly (within a 2-3 week period) or b) no longer in the game for various reasons, so they no longer care.
I have met a number of cachers who have adopted out caches, or archived and removed, because they have recognized that they have too many caches out there and it would mean they couldn’t maintain them in a timely manner. Kudoos to them.
We have to remember that this is a hobby. It doesn’t rank at the same level of importance as a career, family, or other aspects of our lives. So, things fall by the wayside.
Bottom line, you are preaching to the choir by voicing this here. All of us on this site are dedicated to the sport, and do our level-best to promote it, love it, enjoy it.
It is a hobby. And I am glad that if someone has too many caches and cant maintain them that they do archive them or adopt them out.
NOT preaching, just stating a fact that there are alot of wet moldy caches being found and if I need to send a NM everytime I find one I will start doing so.
I wasnt trying to stir anything up….this is what a discussion forum is for….a discussion.
Archiving is not the answer! Our Province is littered by thousands of archived caches. If the cache owner is unwilling to do maintenance they are likely not going to remove their litter… Implement the green smiley!
Teta, that isn’t a bad idea. Part of our maintenance responsibility when we decide to place a cache is to remove it, but what about those people who abandon the sport and just don’t care? Why not have a simple function, a question when you archive, “has the cache been physically removed from the location?”. If yes, no tag; if no, then it is “tagged” so that someone has the opportunity to out and remove that cache. The key is to place no blame or accusation on a cacher and ask no other question; sometimes leaving the sport is due to a personal reason the person wishes to keep to themselves. It could even heighten the thrill by people going out to grab that coveted LTF (Last to Find).
When I go on a days caching I try to quickly look at the last few logs for each cache I am getting. If I see any that look like they have a real problem I look at the cache owners history. If they have not logged in for a while or they are known not to do maintenance I make note of the cache.
When I find it and it does look like crap or garbage, I remove it. I will not leave geotrash to be archived and left behind. I have done this many times and as yet have not had a cache owner contact me to complain. I guess I was doing them all a favor. I shouldn’t have to collect other peoples garbage but I know they are not going to do it themselves.
This is the way I play the game and I have no problems with it.
agree completely.
Always about geo-trash but never about geo-litter π
Geotrash – The junk found in the geocache.
Geolitter – The achieved geocache left in the woods.
Teta, you know you just made up those definitions. I Googled them.
May as well throw Geo-abandoned in there as well.
Or Geo-does-not-cache-anymore.
Or Geo-lazy-cache-owner.
Or Geo-metro.
No wait, that’s a car.
But if it makes you feel more Geo-dictionary, I’ll call it Geolitter from now on.
Geo-whiz.
Hey that was pretty good.
You caught me π
I gave it some thought and you guys are probably right.
GeoJunk – Broken toys and trinkets found in a cache.
GeoTrash – A poorly maintained active geocache.
GeoLitter – An archived cache never removed.
Quoting goldone
And after the regular cachers have had there fill of your caches and they havent been hit for 6 mths or more then you should be going out to check on them and clean out the mold and broken toys left behind.
I do not agree.
I do not expect others to do maintenance on my caches. Tell me that there is a problem and I will get out there but there is no way I am going out to check on our 427 active caches every 6 months.
so if I sent a needs maintenance because of a moldy, wet cache then you would go check it….
my thought of a needs maintenance is if its missing the top or an animal chewed it apart, etc.
This is always a touchy subject. I agree with most of what’s been said here but here’s my own take on it.
I do not restock swag. I never have and never will. The reality is, I do a swag run once every couple of years and spend maybe $50-$75 at the Dollar store buying swag. That lasts me for a LONG time. I do not go back to caches I own and check to see if they need stocked. That would get VERY expensive over time and the reality is, SWAG is far less a part of the game that it was at one time. I stock them well when I hide but that is it. If the stuff gets old, then it gets old but for many of the caches I hide that have SWAG, I use real good, sealable containers. I only stock caches with SWAG because I have a kids who love finding that stuff so I know there are others that are the same. If I didn’t have kids, I probably wouldn’t stock caches with SWAG.
I also do not go out and do maintenance runs. If someone reported that a cache is missing, and it’s been DNF’d a bunch of times, and I know based on where it is that it should be easy to spot, I archive the cache. If someone reports it’s damaged or in serious disrepair, I will try and go out to look at it and usually if it really is damaged, I remove and archive it. If a micro goes missing, I archive it. I’m not doing long maintenance runs on micros or check ups on micros as those containers frequently go missing, especially in the city, or sometimes in the woods when an animal might bite or try to eat it.
If I get a NM log about the log being wet or needing replaced, I log an OM log with a “.” and remove the NM attribute. Wet logs do not need a NM log. The next time I am in that area, I replace the log, or I might even ask someone who is near it to replace it for me. If I am doing a cache run, I always have extra logs with me, and sometimes even spare containers. Me, Rev, and Nemo once replaced a Jim52 cache because his container was a total mess. If I can help maintain a cool cache, I will.
I do not think other cacher’s should be responsible for maintaining my caches, but I do think that we all should do our best to try and help cachers we know maintain their caches. If I did one of EBE’s caches and I knew it was in bad shape, I will pull the container and email him because I know him and I know he would want me to pull the container. But if I saw a cache that was in BAD shape and I didn’t know the owner, I might leave it there and log a NM because it’s in bad shape. I don’t want to leave the trash, but when you start pulling containers out that belong to people you don’t know, in MANY cases it starts huge arguments are fights and it really isn’t worth it.
For me it is about whatever I am comfortable with. If I see a Funk or #1scout cache that’s in really bad shape, I’d remove it in a heartbeat. But there are some cachers who are VERY particular about who does what to their containers. You have to be mindful of that.
Well said Zor. I mostly agree with what you said and do it the way you do.
When I get a DNF or a log indicating a possible problem, I keep those messages and I may plan a maintenance run if necessary. If a micro in the woods is missing, I may go and replace it if it is part of one of the many series that we have. I know many love series as much as we do so we try and keep them complete.
I agree with what your saying, but if its a wet log I will replace it cause there is no need for the owner to get a message about a log needing to be replaced. And I would never replace the whole container UNLESS the owner was contacted and asked me to do so on my visit. I too have kids, 2-4 and they love caching but I only take them to kids caches so they dont get to disappointed when nothing is there or we just leave a few things for the next kids if the cache is empty.
Quote from forestfauna
We have to remember that this is a hobby. It doesnβt rank at the same level of importance as a career, family, or other aspects of our lives. So, things fall by the wayside.
Bottom line, you are preaching to the choir by voicing this here. All of us on this site are dedicated to the sport, and do our level-best to promote it, love it, enjoy it.
A good summary of the whole situation
PAul
Got this message trying to submit a cache.
“This location is pretty far away. Geocaches require routine maintenance, which is why we recommend placing within an easy drive from your home coordinates.”
What a joke, eh?
π
Just checked on the geocaching site. All the 7 geoaocaches are there and ready to be found. The weather looks good for tomorrow. Bringing my lunch and something to drink.